So it’s working as planned?
I use arch btw
Thanks for letting me know! You’re not going to believe this, but I, too, use Arch.
The crowd exhales we know
The 24H2 update would not install on a brand new prebuilt PC that I bought for my parents. I contacted both the manufacturer and Microsoft and spent too many hours troubleshooting before I gave up and returned it to where I bought it as defective. Back to the drawing board for a replacement PC for my parents.
WHY ARE YOU NOT UPDATING TO WIN ELEVEN? Hard to recommend this OS without QA.
Agile has been a mistake for the software industry. It did nothing except to give executive more avenue to force changes to the software that are being developed and in the end it’ll take a longer time to have production ready software when compared to traditional waterfall approach.
Your OS isn’t getting regular updates!!!
This is a feature imo.
So you’re saying I’ll be safe from this if I stick with win 10 past October?
That update made me buy my first Framework laptop! Fuck Microsoft!!
I love my 13". Does exactly what I need. I kind of want the 12", but I don’t really need it. So i’m going to hold off.
of file corruption when symptoms occurs" adds the report (Translated from Japanese by Grok AI).
Why would you use an LLM to translate text? There are tools made specifically for that
Which are based on LLMs or other neural network models. It is kind of the thing that language models are actually good at.
See DeepL for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepL_Translator
The service uses a proprietary algorithm with convolutional neural networks (CNNs)[3] that have been trained with the Linguee database.[4][5]
According to the developers, the service uses a newer improved architecture of neural networks, which results in a more natural sound of translations than by competing services.
The translation is said to be generated using a supercomputer that reaches 5.1 petaflops and is operated in Iceland with hydropower.[6][7]
In general, CNNs are slightly more suitable for long coherent word sequences, but they have so far not been used by the competition because of their weaknesses compared to recurrent neural networks.
The weaknesses of DeepL are compensated for by supplemental techniques, some of which are publicly known.As someone who’s played a few LLM translated games, it is in fact not good at it. There’s a lot of contextual hints that get lost and slang terms tend to confuse it. It does make it close enough where a human that doesn’t speak/read the original language could easily finish the translation though or still make it through the game.
Yeah I know they’re based on LLMs, but they’re more adapted to translation, right?
Honestly, translations are one of the few things LLMs are good for. It can catch things like idioms or other things a machine translator may mistranslate. Though tbf, the main appeal is still live translation.
I want my Babbelfish.
I switched to Mac after my old Asus laptop went out. I figure why bother with a PC laptop, it’s not gonna game and let’s see what the fuss is about. Love my MacBook Air. So then our desktop dies and I give my wife 3 options. A Mac, a cheaper PC, and a more expensive PC. She’s Android, figured she’d want to stick with Windows, but she picked the Mac! So happy. I mostly game on Switch and Xbox these days so that’s fine.
I keep feeling like I left Windows at the right time.
Being happy for someone switching to mac and being on lemmy where everyone is on the Linux train, was not on my bingo card.
Thanks I guess? Surely Mac and Linux users can be friends or at least allies against Windows. Linux comes from UNIX which macOS is based on so they’re very similar, only one is FOSS — which I suppose is the point — and the other is not. But another commonality — Macs and PCs can both run Linux.
Unix unity. Linux 💜 Mac 💜 BSD
I feel you may be boarding a different sinking ship: https://youtu.be/JUG1PlqAUJk
I have been using Linux Mint for over half a year now, and besides gaming, I had no issues with a great experience. Had very bad experience with other Linux distros.
How does Apple’s profitability being a little less than it used to be (they’re still insanely profitable) imply that it’s a “sinking ship”?
I’m a Linux user as well, but use macOS at work and it’s fine.
Did you watch the video or are you guessing based on the thumbnail? Because the video isn’t about Apples profitability.
I watched the first minute or so, which was about their stock price relative to Microsoft. Profitability is a huge part of a company’s stock price.
I didn’t watch the rest because I’m not going to watch a 30 min video without a good reason to.
Butbutbutbut Linux is not ready for desktop! I asked a stupid question in an Arch forum and they told me to RTFM! It does not support kernel level anti-cheat! Terminals are scary!
Etc, etc.
good I’m convinced. just one thing… which graphic design programs does it run natively?
figma
ok so it’s useless
It does not support kernel level anti-cheat!
Huh, thought you were mentioning only the cons.
Gods luck playing any of the biggest, most played games in the world without it.
Then I guess they don’t exist.
You jest but would you really install Arch on your grandmother’s PC?
When my wife’s grandparents had to get a new computer they got upset about the new windows interface and the fact their old games didn’t work, so I set them up with Linux and a DE that resembled XP (it’s what they were familiar with), and I was able to get most of their games going.
They used it without issue until they died.
So you’re saying Linux killed your wife’s grandparents.
You couldn’t get windows games working in windows?
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Depends on her needs. If she uses it for Facebook, no problem, since I’ll be admining her system anyways
Yesterday I got into the process of installing Windows 10 onto my laptop because I am selling it tomorrow. I asked the buyer if he wanted it with an OS or not, and he replied that he wanted Windows 10 Pro. I downloaded the ISO and installed it to one of my M.2 SATA SSD drives with a USB adapter.
Before installing Windows over my Linux installation, I did a SecureErase to wipe out my drive with the Linux installation because that is the SSD I am selling with the computer.
After installing Windows 10 from the M.2 SATA SSD with a USB adapter to the SecureErased drive, I instantly got multiple error messages about SMART checks saying that the SSD was broken/corrupted. I had never seen this POST error message when booting that computer with a Linux installation.
Well, I obviously had to change the drive to another one where I got the Windows installation to work normally without the BIOS POST error message.
I really cannot be sure what caused that. Can SecureErase do that so SMART checks report the drive as corrupted? Or was it the Windows installation?
SecureErase would overwrite the whole drive (potentially multiple times). So if the ssd was close to dead, it might have just triggered it.
I see. Well the SSD was used and few years old. Some Samsung SSD from a OEM build. I did run SMART tests on it like year ago and it was ok/healthy.
Time to fill it with linux isos and seed them with torrentz until it breaks completely.
Windows bad because I made a user error >:(
Hm…Weird way to shift blame.
where is the user error? is this user error with us in the room?
Fully overwriting an SSD is so archaic.
Example from hdparm:
--trim-sector-range
For Solid State Drives (SSDs). EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!! Tells the drive firmware to discard unneeded data sectors, destroying any data that may have been present within them. This makes those sectors available for immediate use by the firmware's garbage collection mechanism, to improve scheduling for wear-leveling of the flash media. This option expects one or more sector range pairs immediately after the option: an LBA starting address, a colon, and a sector count (max 65535), with no intervening spaces. EXCEPTIONALLY DANGER‐ OUS. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION!!I think the all caps warnings say it all.
This is only for the trim sectors of the disk but I can’t imagine it being much different overwriting a whole disk.
Not to mention, as OP said, an old and very used disk.
Quick formatting should be enough to prevent any normal user from extracting meaningful data from the flash storage as only the controller knows how to piece together the flash cells to a file.
If the controller forgets it, the files are toast anyway.
At best write some random data to a quarter of the disk or something lile that.File recovery may only be possible if you give it to a drive recovery facility. But remember: Those ain’t exactly cheap.
A client paid some 4 figure price because an HDD died. Just for a small amount of files.
Uh v lå p.
How’s that vibe coding working out for ya?
Didn’t they proudly say how much of windows is AI generated slop code a few months ago?
It looks like finally after almost ten years they will complete the dark mode on windows. But some buttons will still be with the light theme, they ran out of ai credits and need to wait for next month to replenish the free tier
I think it has more to do with the new atomic update and their now-usual not-testing aproach.
The reporter’s own “test” proves this is caused by faulty drives unable to sustain the speed they advertise, not Windows.
Why would IO speed be a factor in whether a user’s data is corrupted? That just sounds like a race condition.
Are you suggesting the drives are accessed more slowly before this update?
Maybe ? I know R/W speeds used to be a lot slower in Windows than Linux but I thought they fixed that a few years ago.
That’s mostly related to Windows Defender intercepting reads and writes and hasn’t truly been fixed.
Sometimes it’s literally faster to read a database using WSL than the native system.
Linux users: “See what we mean?”
Windows users: “La la la! I can’t hear you! Losing my data is clearly better than having to learn something new!”
I have literally never had one of these things happen to me before. I’m pretty sure people just make them up for clicks at this point.
I know people who were affected when a Windows 10 update just straight up deleted all personal files in 2020.
Cool story, I’m sure no one using Linux has ever lost any data ever.
the 16-bit Windows on Windows subsystems, which allowed 32-bit versions of Windows to directly run 16-bit DOS and Windows programs
Jesus, what a scam. Why does anyone put up with this?
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Windows 11 only comes in 64 bit flavors so this would be a weird feature to leave in place.
I’m not using any software that doesn’t have an upward swipe gesture for jumplists. How can people stand losing features like this?
I’m also gonna sarcastically cherry-pick!
Are you? I didn’t see it. If you’re trying to make the opposite point, why don’t you cherry pick the other way. Let’s see what you’ve got or if this headline is just bullshit.
I’m currently running 50/50 windows/Ubuntu. I’m no Windows fanboy. But I’m also a software dev and I understand deprecating useless shit, something Windows doesn’t do much of.
IMO, the Windows Subsystems is kind of cool. WSL 1 used it too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AWindows_2000_architecture.svg
This was an issue that appeared when writing heavy files to disks (50gb+), so people that werent doing it were safe. And don’t worry, its a matter of when LOL. I was a windows “virgin” until one day my system drive appeared encrypted and locked by bitlocker when I never activated it, nor had any recovery key.
That’s not how it works lol. It doesn’t just randomly encrypt your hdd and lock you out lol. User error.
Linux users: “See what we mean?”
Windows users: “La la la! I can’t hear you! Losing my data is a standard Windows feature!”
Your account seems to be marked as a bot, you can fix that in your user settings if it was unintentional
This comment of theirs reads like a comment by a Lemmy upvote farming bot tbf
So you mean losing your data on Linux not easy as rm -rd?
“You mean if I delete data, then it’s gone? No matter what platform?”
There is a difference between telling your computer to delete something and the computer complying, and doing a windows update only to find it’s corrupted your data or straight up killed your disk.
I’m not going to get angry when I tell my PC to delete a file and it actually does it.
Updating windows is not a command that deletes your data
I mean, it shouldn’t be, but apparently it is
rm -rf is way more difficult than doing literally nothing, yes.
Linux treats users like a person and Windows treats users like children. Be the person Linux trusts you to be.
Windows treats users like a product.
Cause we are to them. We are nothing more than monetized eye balls.
I love how people immediately downvoted you to hell for this lmfao.
Like yeah, the guys on the comments: only people use rm -rf, absolutely no scripts use it at all. Something like motherfucking STEAM absolutely didn’t remove people’s data that one time. And hey, their so beloved
--no-preserve-rootdidn’t prevent that from happening. :DI love and currently use Linux, but my GOD some Linux people are annoying.
If something like
del C:\*.*somehow ended up deleting your D: drive too, we wouldn’t stop hearing the end of it, but here on Linux systems, it is a perfectly normal thing, and people somehow DEFEND this atrocity lmfao.rm shouldn’t exist at its current form. Full stop.
$ su - # rm -rf —no-preserve-root /Should do the trick. (Obviously don’t try it unless you know what you are doing and know what may happen when it hits your EFI variables.)
Not with GNU rm, no.
“We looked around and could not find other reports resembling such situations. The problem has been reported by a Japanese PC builder and enthusiast and some of the comments on the thread seem to indicate that others there may be experiencing similar issues. So it could be a region-specific thing too”
Yet again, I trot out this phrase, as a response to yet another massive Windows fuckup/scandal:
… People are still using Windows?
many have to - work from home, have to share data and programs with other workers. There are of course ways around it but I know literally thousands of people who are supplied with a company laptop with windows on it and they have to use it…
Huh, sounds to me like bad security and data integrity policies/practices from whatever company, probably not very well run places to work for.
You realise that most companies still run on Windows don’t you? I’m in the UK and there is around zero companies that use anything else… here they got rid of Macs because of the hassle of supporting them and windows. Plenty of companies won’t let you use a Mac to work with either
Yep I do realize that.
And I still have the same opinion.
You’re in the UK, so you’re not bound by GDPR… but a whole lot of places and orgs that are bound by GDPR realize that MSFT products indeed are a joke from a data security standpoint, and are actively transitioning to linux or at the very least FOSS software.
I am in the US.
I literally used to work for MSFT, a few of their different locations around Seattle.
They are a fucking insane mess, internally, organizationally.
I worked with people, old timers who’d just casually tell me:
‘Oh yeah back before Desert Storm, I was out in Saudi Arabia flashing the BIOS of computer hardware that was bound to be installed in Saddam’s C&C and Air Defense Radar networks, some months later when time came for the air sorties, somebody else just flipped a switch and down goes all their radars!’
Aka a supply chain attack.
Aka, unless your definition of ‘data security’ is ‘the NSA has all my data’, then MSFT products are rather dubious at providing data security.
Like uh, did your org completely remove Copilot?
… Are you sure about that?
For starters in the UK we ARE bound by GDPR…
But it doesn’t matter - you are assuming that companies care in the UK, they don’t. You get Windows or Windows. As said a lot of software only runs on Windows, and this will continue until microsoft stop windows, corps don’t care. Here in the UK Macs are rare, really really rare, in business. Heck in general use they are rare compared to Windows. Linux is nowhere, under 0.1%. You are literally forced to use Windows if you work for a company. My wife works for a charity and she has to use the company laptop, through the company VPN or else she gets warning and can be sacked… it really is that simple. The company controls what software is installed, even what updates are installed. Here in the UK the NHS buys around 5 million windows machines a year… just imagine thatWell technically its not the same GDPR, but w/e.
Point is:
Much of what MSFT does isn’t GDPR compliant, or violates other data security and privacy laws in the EU or elsewhere, or just generally throws privacy and security by the wayside, as a matter of course.
https://ppc.land/irish-court-approves-first-class-action-against-microsoft-rtb-data-breach/
https://www.gadgetreview.com/microsofts-recall-fails-to-protect-sensitive-data
https://www.courthousenews.com/microsoft-must-face-privacy-class-action-over-kaiser-website-data/
This is just a teeny weeny sampling.
If you think MSFT gives a shit about actual data security and privacy, you’re not following the just stream of lawsuits they just keep getting into, revolving around these issues.
Yeah if that means 99% of orgs have bad policy, by relying on a company with a terrible record on all this, the, uh then uh yeah, 99% of orgs are choosing to have the ability to blame someone else for their own bad decisions, over making better decisions.
The point is arguing about something when you plainly don’t understand how the UK still has GDPR doesn’t really validate your opinions in any way shape or form…
The security doesn’t matter, nothing other than Windows is used. To move to something else would cost so much that businesses simply cannot sustain that. We now have workers who have had 30 years of only working with Windows… and new workers only get Windows. Doesn’t matter what you or anybody else thinks, or says, it matters little. It is pretty much set in stone that you need Windows and Office in the UK, plus other software to make things like PDF’s and documents. You can point anyone towards anything and it just doesn’t matter… and here in the UK they don’t care about lawsuits, we don’t sue first and ask questions later - our legal system is just not setup that way. It is so difficult for other countries to understand, but that kind of approach just doesn’t happen, and our legal system takes little notice of legal issues in countries like the US.
You realize a lot of software still only runs on windows, right? So its not even a choice for a lot of business.
Yet again - headline and article are massive overexaggerations, talking about an issue that a few people have had in very specific situations and saying it breaks everyones SSDs/HDDs and might corrupt their data to get people like you to get outraged and spread FUD.
Remember - if even 0.01% of people on Windows 11 get an error with an update, that is like 100k people. A 0.01% error rate is nothing. It’s not even worth mentioning. It’s not even worth investigating. Sure it sucks for those 100k people, and they’ll be complaining to everyone that will listen - but it’s not a big issue. That’s this. That’s this exact thing.
Wow, with a mentality like that, you’re a perfect fit for medical school.
And you’re a perfect fit for an arts degree with how dumb that equivalency is.
We’re talking about software updates here, not saving lives.
And you’re about as dense as neutronium if you don’t get it.
Doctors try to save everyone, even the 0.01%. Hell, the 0.01% are actually a huge focus.
In software a 0.01% affecting bug in a single one-off update, that needs very specific exact steps to happen, that is already released is at the bottom of the backlog, never to get fixed.
It’s you that clearly doesn’t get “it”. What is your software development background?
Doctors try to save everyone, even the 0.01%. Hell, the 0.01% are actually a huge focu**s.
BULLSHIT
First of all, false equivalency. Second, this isn’t new and didn’t just start happening again. Its never stopped happening. Windows update is fucking atrocious. Its always been atrocious. Its always been the single worst part about using windows for the vast majority of users.
Came here to say “Well, maybe they’re corrupting your data.”
Look at it from the flip side: Linux is so bad people would rather deal with this than deal with Linux.
Meh - people are creatures of habit. To quote a family member “I’m too old to learn a new operating system!” Any change, even over to Mac OS, is rejected by most Windows users. Even when 99.9% of what they do is in a web browser.
Every time I try switching to Linux I run into some issue I just cant fix and go back to windows, currently pirated win10 IOT LTSC. Last time it was getting the USB ports to recognize an ESP32, the time before that graphics card drivers, the time before that it would either take ages to boot or not boot at all, the time before that software I couldnt get to run.
Maybe try another distro? Mint 22.1 works just fine right out of the box, and at this point Claude provides actual support better than scouring 3 forums in case you need small tweaks. Other than some proprietary fingerprint reader I never use, every machine I’ve used it on has been fine.
You can just do a live install from USB and test it before even installing.
I don’t bother testing using live boot anymore, often hardware will work on the live image but not work after it’s installed.
Needing to try random distros is part of my frustration with Linux, I just want one that works out of the box.
OK, well what I’m trying to tell you is that unless you have some exotic hardware, Mint has the reputation of working right out of the box. Not great for gaming, so if that’s a deal breaker, then that’s it.
unless you have some exotic hardware
Or very recent hardware. 22 is based on Ubuntu 24.04, which shipped with version 6.8 of the kernel which is from March 2024. That excludes all of Nvidia’s 50 series, AMDs RX 9000 series, AMDs 9000 series CPUs/boards, Intel’s Core 200 series/chipsets, Arc B series GPUs.
Sure your 5090 might boot and display a picture, but that thing aint gonna work right.
Lies! Linux never has issues!
My laptop’s Linux install currently isn’t corrupt and won’t boot, honest!
Disclaimer: I actually like Linux a lot, JFC the windows hate is crazy…
I use “incontrol” to stop feature updates. And I used win11debloat. Havent had a problem since. In dogshit bloat, no dog shit copilot, no forced updates, no privacy destroying telemetry. Just me and MY windows machine like the old days.
And I’m sure you’ll blame Microsoft/windows when things don’t work as expected and you get strange errors because you disabled core features using dodgy software that you don’t understand but think you don’t need them.
lol Another Reddit user, with nothing to offer but projection. Being in the game 20+ years, matey. If theres problems, I have skills to solve them. Just because you dont know your arse from your elbow, doesnt mean everyone else is the same. Go cry about MS’s spyware some place else.
Well yes, but actually this is a security update
Thank god Ive got control of those too, huh? I offered you all a nice little short cut to make your lives a little easier. And instead, you all moan. Jesus christ.
